Click here to listen to my chat with Phoebe of Pause Books on the Off The Shelf podcast –
Apple podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/165-bernard-okeefe-author/id1543011107?i=1000758108558&l=ru
Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/episode/4SlSH2t3AbXINRM59VO6Mc?si=1722a64f64424fce
